Talk:Tiresome Wikis Wiki

Happy anniversary!
Today marks the 1st anniversary of this wiki. What page I should create? SPEEDYBEAVER (talk) 14:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello!
I'm Szczypak2005 (a Qualitipedia member) and I joined here recently to help build this wiki. While I opposed RfC, I saw many flaws in Qualitipedia and its wikis. Will anyone mind if I start a business here? Szczypak2005 (Szczypak2005) 15:33, 19 November 2022 (GMT+2)
 * What kind of "business" do you mean? Tali64^2 (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean adding the flaws I saw there. Szczypak2005 (Szczypak2005) 18:08, 19 November 2022 (GMT+2)
 * Of course you can. Tali64^2 (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You seem to be a nice community. Szczypak2005 (Szczypak2005) 19:44, 19 November 2022 (GMT+2)

Should we add Weirdyclopedia here?
Looking at the condition of this wiki, I think it's defective enough to be added here + we don't (as far as I can see) have a single page criticizing the ShoutWiki wiki, so I think Weirdyclopedia is the perfect target for the first Shoutwiki wiki to hit this wiki. Szczypak2005 (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2022 (GMT+2)
 * Go ahead. Tali64^2 (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Can someone explain all this to me?
This wiki is turning into a total mess lately where everyone is literally fighting everyone else, the toxicity feels like it's worse here than anywhere else, really won't lie, although Weirdyclopedia is in even worse shape, it's still hard right now find a wiki with so many edit wars. Can someone explain to me what is actually going on with this wiki and why so many edit wars on different pages between different users lately? Szczypak 2005 19:44, 19 November 2022 (GMT+2)
 * It appears that you're involved with several edit wars with other users. I'd suggest creating a discussion on the talk page of any article you are involved in, so that this wiki's community as a whole can discuss it. Tali64^2 (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well what can I do? I really can't believe how quickly this wiki went from a decent place where it was quite fun to contribute to a total mess where contributing is a real pain and doing anything there is sheer impossibility given a community that seems to completely ignore what others are saying especially considering I'm literally being treated like trash and I've never been treated so badly anywhere else, not even on Qualitipedia which is allegedly the most toxic place.
 * It all started with obviously Eijizeboi who was actually known for falsely accusing users of something they didn't even do adding an indicator for example that wasn't even reviewed and waging an edit war over that indicator regardless of who pulled the indicator and basically that's all here he did. On the other hand, of course, we have Leerdoman deleting users for no reason at all and insulting people who dare to revoke his edit. While not as bad as the aforementioned two, SuperStreetKombat also has his downsides as it takes its opinions literally as facts and adds metrics that are nothing but pure complaining about something that has little if any impact on wiki quality.
 * I'm taking my break from this toxic wiki for about a week or so and will be looking into its sister wiki since it doesn't suffer from the same flaws as this wiki and is a much calmer wiki than this wiki of course. Tali since you are the only one who can do this considering you are the only admin of this wiki if I may ask you because I don't want this wiki to turn into a Weirdyclopedia clone and become hell on the internet will you do something so I can calmly after this week is over, calmly contribute as it was in December 2022. Szczypak 2005 9:44, January 25 2023 (GMT+2)
 * The drama isn't even all that bad here. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 1:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a little request to you SuperStreetKombat, could you please stop treating your opinions as if they were facts? I understand that you like Weirdyclopedia, but you can create for example a blog or express yourself on the talk page. After all, I created this page, not you, and while there's nothing wrong with editing this page, it still doesn't look as faithful to what it looked like before your intervention thanks to your edits. Szczypak 2005 12:16, January 25 2023 (GMT+2)

I'm Planning to Make a ShoutWiki Version of Qualitipedia
Since the laws on New Qualitipedia are getting more and more ridiculous, and the owner doesn't seem to care too much about current users and more about retired users, and the ShoutWiki wiki builder is about to start working again finally, I will most likely create my own version of Qualitipedia which will be focus more on contributors than on retirees who just want these wikis closed. If you don't like the rules on the New Qualitipedia and want to be able to keep copying and pages from the old Qualitipedia and editing the ones that weren't copied, then for that reason I plan to create an alternative with more user freedom than the one run by CJWorldGame. I am willing to accept anyone who wants to continue contributing to Qualitipedia and if you wish to become an admin of this wiki, it will be possible to apply to the staff as long as you are deemed to be someone who does not wish to cause any harm to this wiki or to the community.

CJWorldGame if you are reading this I don't necessarily see you in bad faith and I don't want you to take it the wrong way but the rules you are implementing I really don't like that you kneel unnecessarily to those who left and want closure instead of those who contribute wiki, because in my opinion it is those who contribute that should live up to expectations, rather than some corpses who no longer care about anyone or anything.

This is the end of the announcement, if you want to ask me anything, I'll be happy to answer here, after all, I officially plan to create a version that gives more freedom and more user-adaptable than the one on Telepedia. Szczypak 64 18:46, March 16 2023 (GMT+2)

hello, I'm ILSW.
is this wiki still alive or what? --ILikeShreddedWheat (talk) 17:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's still alive. Tali64^2 (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool. But why is it heavily inactive? --ILikeShreddedWheat (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Its activity comes in waves; sometimes it goes days without editing, other times it sees several dozen edits a day. Tali64^2 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Here's my message to Salarvander:
I know you're not here anymore, but in case you're reading this, Salarvander: I need to say something to you, because Weirdcyclopedia, the very wiki that you yourself created, has been terminated days ago, due to -abigblueworld- who vandalized pages, Leerdoman74 who intimidated and harassed other users, including me, and now spam bots that created several off-topic pages, and you never did anything to fix those issues, and now that wiki is gone, because of you abandoning Weirdcyclopedia without telling anyone about your retirement when we needed you most, since you were its only administrator.

As I've said before, I understand that you've been really busy with your personal life such as college and stuff like that, but you could've at least used a little common courtesy to tell people who were on Weirdcyclopedia that you were going away for a while (or forever), and then promote someone who was active enough to another admin or mod so that they could continue to stablize the wiki in your absence, but now it's way too little too late for that now, and you're partly to blame for its fall from grace.

I'm sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, and I don't want you to think of this as a personal attack, but in all honesty... I think you need some criticism, because your administration used to be pretty decent when you started the wiki, but then it started to go downhill last year in December, since you left your own creation to die at the hands of horrible users like Leerdo and bigblue. If you weren't willing to value your own role as an admin, then the least you could've done was give it to somebody else who would've done a better job at maintaining your wiki.

If you ever do come back to ShoutWiki, then don't be surprised if you see Weirdcyclopedia closed by the staff. This has been my message to you, Salar. Have a good day, and enjoy the rest of your retirement. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 5:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This wiki is not a place to complain; Weirdcyclopedia's gone, so you don't need to focus on it anymore. I also doubt Salarvander will even see this message as he probably doesn't know this wiki exists. Tali64^2 (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * All right, look, I'm sorry; I just wanted to let Salar know that he could've done better to maintain his own wiki so that it wouldn't have to die the way it did. I may have been hard on him, but I still felt the need to call him out. Then again, I sorta also blame myself for Weirdcyclipedia's downfall; maybe if I'd made my official account there around 2021 or early 2022, I could've started contributing there regularly and then gained enough of Salar's trust to promote me to an admin or even a mod so that I could've continued running it after his departure so that it would've been in a much better condition. *sigh*... I don't know. If only the fiends who ruined it had never come to ShoutWiki... 😔 SuperStreetKombat (talk) 3:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Going on a break from ShoutWiki for a while
After so much chaos that had been happening to me for the past several months such as scumbags like Leerdoman74 and -abigblueworod- harming Weirdcyclopedia (which is why it got shut down), and the staff of ShoutWiki treating me harshly while the aformentioned two users get away with their horrible deeds scot-free, I've decided to go on a break from this whole website for a while.

I don't know when I'll be back, maybe, like, a week or two, but I do know that I won't be contributing here for a while until I feel good enough to come back.

Since I won't be on ShoutWiki on July the 4th, I just wanna wish everyone an early Happy 4th of July.

Additionally, I'll still be on Miraheze if anyone still wants to contact, so... see ya later. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 11:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm Getting Out From Here
Hi, this is Szczypak2005, I am (actually, I was) a regular contributor to this wiki for... 8 months? Wow, it even took quite a long time, as much as I contributed to the old Qualitipedia I must honestly admit but after all it's the first time I'm writing such a large post at all so you can expect how badly it is written but I have to write a 100 percent honest opinion about what I think about this wiki because I can't help myself right now. Initially when I discovered this wiki it even seemed like a pretty decent wiki which is pretty well organized and even when I created an account I even felt fully liberated from all the circus related to this pointless community of old QP and it was a new experience for me even i thought this wiki was going to be my new place to contribute after i closed that wiki that will serve me for years but now i'm sick of it i'm getting out of this scumbag for good because now it sucks and i'm not going to watch it anymore on the wiki, it has been falling lower and lower in recent months, as for a blog that is farewell, I go into 100 percent honesty mode and I don't care that someone else will feel offended by what I say, you should not have done it! But it's high time to start.

The Pages
I will start with the pages, although there is not much to say here, but here I will start my arguments, especially since the ones that will be listed below were especially the most edited and it is not without reason that I am listing them here because I believe that if not for them, there would not be so much confusion here, so this:

Qualitipedia
This site is particularly noteworthy in my opinion, especially since it directly targeted users with these damn "lists", and speaking of these lists of "bad" and "good" users, here comes my first conundrum, there is no definite statement of how "good" " and a "bad" user because everyone can have a different opinion than everyone else and that's where the dog is buried, if you are considered a bad person and people you don't like are shown as good-natured how would you feel? Of course you would be infuriated by this sight or if you were compared to your enemy for example, so to put it simply these were absolutely horrible and disgraceful letters that were a textbook example of how aggressive and hurtful you can be, not to mention that often these letters attacked someone's opinions, but still not much of all that, even beyond those cursed lists it was able to go out and on other indicators this abomination could (and still can) move and attack there users who can have their own opinion, so to put it simply it is a bad page that can hurt someone's feelings and opinions. At least those chorendal letters have been deleted, it's amazing that it was only thanks to me that they disappeared, although I have a feeling that in some time they will return because someone from this toxic "community" will of course want to restore them.

Most of Reception Wikis
These pages also did not do without drama, not only Qualitipedia, the strangest thing was that I was also involved in all these dramas, even though I tried to be neutral towards others and not interfere in their affairs, I just wanted to peacefully and carelessly share my opinions without disturbing anyone, I didn't care at all what others were doing and it wouldn't impress me much if someone posted their opinion on any page but no, everyone has to be better than the other of course and undo any edits because you are from better than him, and in this way I was drawn into this drama and for this reason I feel contempt for this "community" which, most interestingly, came from the old QP in most cases, so of course it could not do without drama, not to mention that these pages also reflected someone's opinions and those people themselves.

The Users
And finally I came to the big smelly bob on a shit cake and here it is the most interesting because it is nothing else than the "community" for which I feel contempt and I just don't want to have anything to do with it anymore, especially since there are people here who consider themselves better than others and literally think they are the only holy cows there are in the world when apparently they are not and yes I met people who were very nice people but there were also those who basically did nothing here but constantly pounce on others and attack them and their opinions, such as mine of course, but I will mention here 2 particularly noteworthy people:

SuperStreetKombat
Let me start with this user who, in my opinion, is the most infamous user I have ever seen here, he obviously didn't care about being a relatively respectable user but in the end he went in the direction of "my point is the best and the only one that has any significance at all" " by deleting what others have to say and taking back what is contrary to his own opinion, looking for an "excuse", for example that he is "more famous", which in my opinion is ridiculous and out of place and he would also attack anyone who would dare say something that others wouldn't like, I say it with full seriousness, even Allistayrian had no objection to the fact that hints about the topic were included here, including the one about unjustly blocking me, and the fact that this user has something against it is really he talks a lot and shows how rude and selfish he is.

CJWorldGame32125
Yes, the guy I could write a lot about here and the one who created this controversial page on this wiki, but maybe I'll start with these lists and the fact that he created them was despicable in my opinion, as I mentioned above, there is no real definition of "evil " nor a "good" user, because even if this user has a bad reputation, he may have a good relationship with someone else and in my opinion this is the most harmful thing you can ever think of and not only does it show how much you can hurt one person but he also showed how much unpopular opinions are worth on this wiki, and according to him it's probably nothing, and I've just reached the point I expected, i.e. "freedom of speech", which probably does not exist here and the user discussed here showed it very well what is it worth here and yes, just like the user mentioned above, he removed what was "unpopular" and what is also worth attention, treats popular opinions as if they were facts and even popularized this rag trend on this wiki and dares to attack users who they do not agree with it, and for example, he has completely scolded me not only because I think that retired users should not be put first and that he defends them at all costs and believes absolutely everything they say, but even when I post something that has absolutely nothing to do with them and I delete it anyway, claiming that they are "selfish" even though I didn't say that I am better than everyone else, and in addition, he is also a hypocrite for so many reasons that I could write a lot about it, but I won't because I don't want it to be too much text.

Summary
You dare consider yourself superior to the Unfavorable Wikis and Users Wiki in every way, and you know what I'm going to say? You are no better than them, in both cases popular opinion is treated as fact, in both cases the staff either don't care or are corrupt and (not all) you act towards others as if you are the center of the world and everyone else is just garbage until I wonder how many tips on these pages must be biased or maybe even the pages themselves (even in my case it was like that, even though I tried as much as I could to make it as little as possible), actually I'm wondering if soon they won't be allowed here the user pages, in fact, is the only thing that separates you from being completely equated with said wiki, especially notable were those awful lists.

Added to this is the loss of interest in this wiki and time, I feel like I don't have much to do here anymore and I don't have enough time to deal with it, that's one more reason I'm leaving this wiki.

And finally, a request: Can you see all these pages that are on my user page? These are all pages I have created and I am asking you to permanently remove them along with my user page itself.

And I'm done, I'm going back to Qualitipedia which has a much better community than this wiki even though it has the same owner as one of the toddlers on this wiki live in these dramas because I don't want to sit in them anymore and beat each other with hate there to the other person, I no longer see the point of this wiki serving as a legitimate wiki with other wikis belonging to this Netpedia, it's just that these wikis suck, goodbye for good... Szczypak, 19:52, September 07 2023 (GMT+2)
 * Although you probably won't see this considering that you're leaving this wiki, I still feel obliged to offer my responses to the issues you bring up:
 * Qualitipedia: Indeed, the issues you bring up are why I held the discussion to reform/remove the user lists on the page; however, there were a number of reasons behind the removal of the lists (most notably the edit wars that resulted from their existence and the issues you bring up). Until a solution to both issues is found, I will not let the lists be restored per the result of the discussion.
 * Reception Wikis: I don't recall ever seeing any conflicts from any of the other pages about reception wikis; if you mean my occasional reverts of your well-intentioned but slightly problematic edits, those don't count as conflicts.
 * SuperStreetKombat: Most of the things you bring up are either worded to make SSK look bad and you look good or completely false. SuperStreetKombat and other users were only pointing out that you were not very well-known in the original Qualitipedia, which is true even if you refuse to believe it.
 * CJWorldGame32125: Same story as your complaints about SSK; CJ was well-intentioned when he created the user lists on the Qualitipedia page even if they had fundamental flaws that resulted in them being removed. Also, you're incorrect in saying that freedom of speech does not exist on this wiki. If free speech didn't exist here, I would've blocked you for sharing opinions that I disagree with. I don't do that; I believe that users should be allowed to share their opinions no matter how unpopular they are as long as it's not harmful to this wiki or its community.
 * Summary:
 * I've never said that this wiki is better than Unfavorable Wikis and Users Wiki even if it is technically true. Everything has room for improvement: for example, before I came to this wiki, barely any of its pages were sourced (which has a high potential to lead to libel/harassment like with what eventually happened with UWAUW); I fixed that. This wiki's rules were poorly-written and arbitrary for a long time; I fixed that as well. This wiki had no CSS styling for a long time as well; I fixed that too.
 * Who said that I don't care about this wiki? If I didn't, then I wouldn't have saved it from vandals and adopted it. I am also not corrupt; I consider myself to be pretty impartial, though I'm not perfect and am open to any feedback if you take issue with any decisions I make.
 * I have deleted the pages in your userspace as requested; as for your mainspace pages, other users have contributed significantly to those, so I will refrain from deleting them.
 * I don't have much else to add but that I advise you to listen to other users when they give you feedback and wish you luck wherever you end up. Tali64^2 (talk) 23:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * So what does this have to do with all this? I expressed my 100% honesty and what I thought about this and other users, they almost constantly took back what I wanted to contribute to this wiki when I just wanted to contribute peacefully. Szczypak 07:15, September 08 2023 (GMT+2)
 * Dude, you're lucky enough I'm calm with this stuff, even with you calling users parasites (you can't deny that, there's evidence), because you would have been banned from New Qualitipedia at this point. Also, people didn't notice but I saw that you're very desperate at salvaging your dwindling reputation, by modifying certain pointers where your mistakes are mentioned, and write like other users are the ones that did your edits. Plus, you do stuff like violating Miraheze's Content Policy, where you made a wiki request by lying about its scope, when you want it to make a reception wiki, which is something that most users on Discord agreed is scummy. And don't defend it by claiming "it's private", because from what I saw, you invite other people who either have no clue, or simply don't want to tell about your private wiki, which makes the wiki anything BUT private. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 13:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Dude, I'm sorry if you felt offended by this, but I had to get it out anyway, maybe we can talk about it calmly somewhere else. Szczypak 07:15, September 08 2023 (GMT+2)
 * Honestly, I can definitely see that and why you made this, considering this wiki is slowly becoming boring as well but also falling into something that I like to call the "reception wiki trap." Icantthinkofanamexd (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey, everyone, I'm back
Sorry I haven't been on ShoutWiki for a month; it's just that I kept getting this error that was stopping me from logging into my main account here, so I laid off coming to this site for a while (except for a few times I was an anon) and asked ShoutWiki's staff to fix my login issue, which they did (probably). Anyway, now that I'm back on this whole site, I can finally go back to contributing to a few wikis here, including this one, regularly like I did in the past. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 1:21 PM, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Icantthinkofanamexd (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2023 (UTC)